
I'm honored to call Earl Creps my friend. He wrote the book Off-Road Disciplines, is director of the Doctor of Ministry program and associate professor at the Assemblies of God Theological Seminary, is planting a church in Berkeley, CA and finds time to talk with me.
He has a new book out and I know first-hand that he practices what he preaches. It's called Reverse Mentoring: How Young Leaders Can Transform the Church and Why We Should Let Them. He was kind enough to answer a few of my questions:
1. Why in the world would you leave a comfy job and move to Berkeley, CA to plant a church?
Some people have said this to me: "Berkeley,..what a weird
place….you'll be a perfect fit out there!" So maybe that explains it.
But I would like to think our transition has to do with two things: the
pull and the call. Jan and I could feel the "pull" of Berkeley the
first time we walked its streets and campus. I read that the town was
once known as the "Athens of the Pacific," and that reminded me of the
"men of Athens" mentioned in Acts 17 who were fascinated with
everything new. Berkeley is about developing new ideas, technologies,
and policies that spread all over the nation and the world. You have
handicapped access and no smoking in the public buildings of your city
because those notions started in Berkeley. Changing the world is what
we do out there, so being associated with that is pretty cool, a really
strong pull. But anyone visiting the place or reading the Wikipedia
articles could see that. The other side is the "call." That's the part
we don't have vocabulary for, the thing that just changed in our hearts
allowing us to walk away from our career and our house on 5 acres
without feeling like it was a sacrifice. Actually we feel like the
luckiest people in the world to be involved in something like this at
our age. So what we are doing is not heroic in any sense, it's just
necessary.
2. What motivated you to write Reverse Mentoring?
I
wrote it for the money. After making $19 a quarter on Off-Road
Disciplines as an Amazon Associate I knew I just had to do this again.
Not really. I wrote the book because my own reverse mentors changed my
life so much that I wanted to let other people in on the practice. RM
has been common in the corporate world for maybe 15 years, but is
almost absent from the church as far as I can tell. In my research I
could not find a single example of a Christian organization regularly
involved in RM. I hope they are out there and I just didn't discover
them.
3.
I'm 39. Already "not cool" to many (especially my 14 year old). How
will this book help me understand that I can and should be mentored by
those younger than me?
At 39. you haven't been cool for 20 years. At my age, I
haven't been cool since around the Civil War. "Cool" has the shelf life
of the average ripe tomato. That's the bad news. The good news is that
the erosion of cool is potentially a powerful adhesive because it's
something that we all share. The question is how we will respond. I
meet people who deny it, people who are angry, and people who represent
all the other phases of grief recovery. Facing it, though, opens the
door to finding relevance in new (and really fun) forms that we often
miss if we insist on being relevant in the ways we were as younger
leaders. I believe that we can be the most fruitful older if we do the
right things, like listening to people unlike us. Sometimes that means
a younger person, but it can really be anyone unlike me.
4. Andy Stanley made this statement at Catalyst 08, "The
best idea for reaching the next generation isn't going to come from the
existing generation, it's going to come from the next generation." Assuming this statement is true, how will Reverse Mentoring help
generations in "power" learn from those in the generation that is
emerging?
Andy is absolutely right. The next generation already knows
what we need to do to reach them. Our job is to help them tell us and
then to create the conditions for a thriving "indigenous church" among
them. We will not lead that church, but we can help to catalyze it. In
my mind, that is God's retirement plan for all of us.
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